So, as mentioned, I looked for photos of Kylie Jenner so I could do a good before and after. It's hard to find good after photos of her because most of her pics are selfies at bad angles with pouty lips. Anyway, I found these though and even though she doesn't have the huge lips in the after photo, I think the only major difference is her chin and possibly the lips.
This blog is devoted to a bad habit of mine, looking at photographs of facial cosmetic surgery. I'm interested in facial feminization surgery (FFS) as well. I know. I need a new hobby.
Showing posts with label facial proportions. Show all posts
Showing posts with label facial proportions. Show all posts
Tuesday, November 4, 2014
Thursday, March 21, 2013
Christina Ricci with a forehead reduction - Better? Worse? Masculine? Feminine?
This probably isn't the best photo to start with since Ms. Ricci's hairline looks kind of crooked, one eyebrow looks higher than the other and her smile is leaning one direction too, but here she is...
Does she look less masculine? Some FFS doctors say that women have lower hairlines (although this is not true). So if you believe that, then she should look more feminine, right? But to me her masculinity/femininity seems unchanged. She looks better to me, but not more feminine. I think this is because her hairline has a feminine shape to it. It's not receding at the corners at all.
One thing that COULD affect masculinity and femininity when lowering a hairline is how the overall proportions of her face change. If Christina had a long chin, and we made her hairline lower, her chin would look longer in relation to her forehead. As an example, here's Bill Clinton.
Mr. Clinton has a long chin, but it's somewhat balanced out by his tall forehead. It's not the first thing you notice when you look at him. But when you make his forehead smaller, the focal point of his face changes and the balance goes off kilter. He, like Christina Ricci, does not look more feminine with a lower hairline. If anything, I think he looks more masculine with that big chin.
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Christina Ricci "before" (with her naturally high forehead) and "after" (with a shorter forehead) |
Does she look less masculine? Some FFS doctors say that women have lower hairlines (although this is not true). So if you believe that, then she should look more feminine, right? But to me her masculinity/femininity seems unchanged. She looks better to me, but not more feminine. I think this is because her hairline has a feminine shape to it. It's not receding at the corners at all.
One thing that COULD affect masculinity and femininity when lowering a hairline is how the overall proportions of her face change. If Christina had a long chin, and we made her hairline lower, her chin would look longer in relation to her forehead. As an example, here's Bill Clinton.
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Bill Clinton "before", with his natural hairline, and "after", with a lower one. |
Mr. Clinton has a long chin, but it's somewhat balanced out by his tall forehead. It's not the first thing you notice when you look at him. But when you make his forehead smaller, the focal point of his face changes and the balance goes off kilter. He, like Christina Ricci, does not look more feminine with a lower hairline. If anything, I think he looks more masculine with that big chin.
Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Ode to Straight Noses - Part 5 (models only)
Yes, more straight-bridged noses but this time they all belong to models.
As
usual I have to mention that if she visited FFS doctors, many would
suggest surgery to correct her profile to make it more scooped and
pig-like. But in my opinion, if beauty means being able to see up a
person's nostrils while viewing her straight on, give me ugliness =)
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The gorgeous Paulina Porizkova. I believe she was, hands down, the most beautiful of the '80s models. |
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Paulina in an Estee Lauder ad. Notice the straight nose. |
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More of the extraordinarily beautiful Paulina |
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More Monica Bellucci |
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Monica Bellucci in profile |
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Heidi Klum won her first modeling competition, against nearly 25,000 other contestants, with a classic, straight, non-piggish nose. |
Saturday, December 22, 2012
High prenatal androgens cause boys to tilt their heads up when having their photos taken... or, Are square jaws a masculine trait? - Part 2
I was just looking at the abstract for the article "Second-to-fourth digit ratio and facial shape in boys: the lower the digit ratio, the more robust the face" by Meindl, Windhager, et al., and also looking at the accompanying photos which can be seen in an earlier post or here. And although I don't have access to the article, so cannot be sure, based on what I can see I'd say that the methods were faulty and the results should just be thrown out. The photographs were not taken consistently, which means they have no baseline to work from. No baseline means crap data.
In the first image below, the boy's head is tilted down and his ears line up at his eyebrows. In the middle photo, his ears line up below the eyebrows, and in the last photo his ears line up with his eyes. The difference can be seen by looking at his nose, too.
What does this mean? It means I should start moonlighting writing scholarly articles for Proceedings of the Royal Society :) The image below shows the photographic evidence from the 2012 article, but with Angelina Jolie's face where the little boy face should go.
So, in a nutshell, the 2012 article's results cannot be trusted (just my opinion, of course). The 2005 article appears legit though, which would mean that higher levels of prenatal androgens result in a squarer, broader face whereas lower prenatal androgens result in a pointier chin and a face that is less square overall (longer than it is wide).
To be continued....
In the first image below, the boy's head is tilted down and his ears line up at his eyebrows. In the middle photo, his ears line up below the eyebrows, and in the last photo his ears line up with his eyes. The difference can be seen by looking at his nose, too.
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Here's a clue. It's not prenatal androgens. |
What does this mean? It means I should start moonlighting writing scholarly articles for Proceedings of the Royal Society :) The image below shows the photographic evidence from the 2012 article, but with Angelina Jolie's face where the little boy face should go.
Also, I returned to check the 2005 article and it doesn't include ears in the images so I cannot guess the accuracy of its findings. Under the 'Methods' section it says it just asked the men to look straight ahead. But its drawings don't have the telltale signs of inconsistency shown in the 2012 article. For example:
- In the first image (shown above), the boys nose is pointy, in the last it isn't.
- In the first image, the eyebrows are straignter (much like Angelina's) and the last image they are more arched (like Angelina's).
- In the first image the mouth is curved up, in the middle straight across, and in the last one curved down (again, like Angelina's)..
So, in a nutshell, the 2012 article's results cannot be trusted (just my opinion, of course). The 2005 article appears legit though, which would mean that higher levels of prenatal androgens result in a squarer, broader face whereas lower prenatal androgens result in a pointier chin and a face that is less square overall (longer than it is wide).
To be continued....
Sunday, December 16, 2012
Are square jaws a masculine trait?
Recently I was asked my opinion on square jaws by a reader of this blog. I really didn't know where to start though. I thought I knew what the reader was getting at, but didn't think there was a good enough definition for the term, really. Sometimes "square" seems to refer to a square shaped face and at other times a defined jaw line.
What "square" means in the fields of medicine and anthropology...
But John Hawks, a paleoanthropologist and professor of anthropology, has a web site that gets to the point nicely. The angle of a person's jaw, shown below, differs somewhat between men and women. "In males, the angle [sic] is closer to 90 degrees. In females, this angle is greater, up to 110 -120 degrees." Hence the term "square jawed", I would assume.
Other articles say this isn't a reliable determinant of gender though. Ethnicity and other factors play a role in determining the gonial angle. But since these articles are written by forensic anthropologists, their interest lies in being able to determine sex from skeletal remains. Our interests are different. We are looking at people face to face so have visual clues regarding age and ethnicity.
Jaw angle does affect face shape...
Another thing I learned from reading books on anthropology and forensic facial reconstruction is that the gonial angle definitely does affect that shape of one's face from the front. The squarer the jaw, the more likely the person will have a round or square face, as opposed to an oval or triangle-shaped face.
Androgens affect face shape...
We know this. We can SEE this. But here are some articles that show the difference prenatal testosterone makes. When a person's ring finger is longer than his or her index finger, this results in a lower 2D:4D ratio (2nd digit to 4th digit ratio) which signifies higher androgen exposure in the womb.
To be continued...
What "square" means in the fields of medicine and anthropology...
But John Hawks, a paleoanthropologist and professor of anthropology, has a web site that gets to the point nicely. The angle of a person's jaw, shown below, differs somewhat between men and women. "In males, the angle [sic] is closer to 90 degrees. In females, this angle is greater, up to 110 -120 degrees." Hence the term "square jawed", I would assume.
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mandibular or gonial angle |
Other articles say this isn't a reliable determinant of gender though. Ethnicity and other factors play a role in determining the gonial angle. But since these articles are written by forensic anthropologists, their interest lies in being able to determine sex from skeletal remains. Our interests are different. We are looking at people face to face so have visual clues regarding age and ethnicity.
Jaw angle does affect face shape...
Another thing I learned from reading books on anthropology and forensic facial reconstruction is that the gonial angle definitely does affect that shape of one's face from the front. The squarer the jaw, the more likely the person will have a round or square face, as opposed to an oval or triangle-shaped face.
Androgens affect face shape...
We know this. We can SEE this. But here are some articles that show the difference prenatal testosterone makes. When a person's ring finger is longer than his or her index finger, this results in a lower 2D:4D ratio (2nd digit to 4th digit ratio) which signifies higher androgen exposure in the womb.
'Manly' Fingers Make For Strong Jawline in Young Boys (Note that this 2012 study had a very small sample size of 17. See the abstract here.)
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Less prenatal androgens resulted in a more feminine, triangular, face shape, as seen on the left. This differs greatly from the masculine face, which is square-shaped. |
Second to fourth digit ratio and face shape (2005 study of 106 volunteers)
Again, the more prenatal exposure to androgens, as seen on the far left, the squarer the face shape. |
To be continued...
Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Facial Proportions - Tori Spelling with a Higher Hairline and Slimmer Nose
In my last post about facial proportions, in which I Photoshopped Tori Spelling to show what FFS doctors might do to her if they got a hold of her, I did not change two things:
Approximate facial proportions in the "before" and "after" photos.
Do you think the higher forehead makes her look more masculine?
- I stopped short of raising her hairline because FFS doctors would never do such a thing. The common belief (or mistake?) is "the lower the better" and that high hairlines are masculine. So in the photo of her, her facial proportions were not quite in tune with Leonardo da Vinci's guidelines (that the face is divided into thirds).
- Also, although I made her nose more symmetrical, I did not make her nose narrower. In art class, it is often taught that the outer edges of the nose line up with the inner edges of the eyes. I'm not sure if that holds true for all ethnicities, but there are other guidelines out there as well. This is jut one of them.
Approximate facial proportions in the "before" and "after" photos.
Before | After | |
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Top Third | 30% | 33% |
Middle Third | 35% | 33% |
Lower Third | 35% | 33% |
Do you think the higher forehead makes her look more masculine?
Thursday, August 16, 2012
Facial Proportions - Tori Spelling with New Facial Proportions and FFS
Once I read something about Tori Spelling looking like a drag queen. Just recently this came to mind and I thought, "Does she really?" And to answer that question, I found the best photo I could find of her and got started.
The first thing I did was draw a head-shaped oval and put a horizontal line through the center. (I was trying to see how the proportions of her face compare to the guidelines used in drawing faces, shown here. In art class, this is how you start drawing a head.) The eyeballs will fall along the center line. So, the distance from her eyes to the top of her head should be the same distance to her chin.... according to how I was taught, which is just a guideline. But Tori is different. Here eyeballs fall above the center line and the rest wasn't lining up well either, so I wasn't sure what to do with that.
On to Plan B. According to the same art class guideline I mention above, the distance from her eyeballs to right below her nose should be about the same distance as that from below her nose to her chin, and her mouth should fall right above the lowest line. But her mouth is a bit low. I can't make her chin THAT short. It would look odd. So that was not working either.
So on to Plan C. I decided to divide her face into thirds as outlined in Leonardo da Vinci's notebooks, and shown on this page (my guideline is a little off in the image below but I'm sure you get the point). And this is what I got.
The resulting image has four changes:
Approximate facial proportions in the "before" and "after" photos.
I did not raise her forehead, due to the fact that FFS doctors would not
do that, but if I wanted to remake her face into perfect thirds, that's
what I would have done. Also, if she were male and FFS doctors got to her, I think they might suggest more changes since they are prone to that, but I think think the difference is remarkable. But more about facial proportions another day...
The first thing I did was draw a head-shaped oval and put a horizontal line through the center. (I was trying to see how the proportions of her face compare to the guidelines used in drawing faces, shown here. In art class, this is how you start drawing a head.) The eyeballs will fall along the center line. So, the distance from her eyes to the top of her head should be the same distance to her chin.... according to how I was taught, which is just a guideline. But Tori is different. Here eyeballs fall above the center line and the rest wasn't lining up well either, so I wasn't sure what to do with that.
On to Plan B. According to the same art class guideline I mention above, the distance from her eyeballs to right below her nose should be about the same distance as that from below her nose to her chin, and her mouth should fall right above the lowest line. But her mouth is a bit low. I can't make her chin THAT short. It would look odd. So that was not working either.
So on to Plan C. I decided to divide her face into thirds as outlined in Leonardo da Vinci's notebooks, and shown on this page (my guideline is a little off in the image below but I'm sure you get the point). And this is what I got.
The resulting image has four changes:
- a shorter chin
- a narrower, pointier chin (unlike Heidi Montag's chin which appears to have been just sawed off at the bottom leaving it wide and flat)
- a symmetrical nose (to hide her bad rhinoplasty that has left one side caved in)
- narrower jaw (just the tiniest bit since her jaw stuck out further than her cheekbones)
Approximate facial proportions in the "before" and "after" photos.
Before | After | |
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Top Third | 29% | 30% |
Middle Third | 33% | 35% |
Lower Third | 38% | 35% |
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